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The Admins and Moderators of this Forum have extensive knowledge of Utah gun laws.

We are NOT lawyers and we will not provide ANY legal advice.

Please invite or add your family and friends to the Forum to stay updated with any changes to Utah or Federal gun laws, be a part of discussions or ask questions. For the best interest of the group and all our members, we ask that everyone follow our group rules.


  • We do not allow obscene, lewd, lascivious, profanity, defamatory, offensive or violent language or statements, especially attacks on members which harass, insult, taunt, provoke, demean, threaten or personally attack other members, whether it was your intent or not.
  • We do not allow hateful or discriminatory comments regarding race, ethnicity, religion, gender, disability, sexual orientation, political beliefs or discussion of illegal activity, that other members or Admins/Moderators deem inappropriate.
  • Use proper grammar. Refrain from 'text-message' style substitutions of words like 'u' for 'you', and 'ur' for 'your'. There are many members in the group who may be confused by abbreviations or use translation software if English is not their primary language.
  • Be friendly and treat all fellow members with respect, even if others are not. All opinions will be treated with mutual respect unless they violate these rules.


  • Topics which contain advertisements or affiliate commissions are not permitted. Promotions for training courses, concealed firearm permit classes, products or services without the prior approval from an Admin will be deleted.
  • There is no such thing as a stupid question. Please understand that it was asked to receive the correct answer. Other members may not have the knowledge or experience that other members have. Everyone can always learn something new from others.
  • We respect your privacy. If you wish to ask a question while also hiding your identity, for example, how the law affects you if you are convicted of a crime, you can submit a post anonymously by requesting that we post it anonymously.


  • Incorrect answers cause confusion. We try our best to ensure that an Admin or Moderator has the first comment on every post to ensure it has the correct information. It is important as a member, that if you do not know the correct answer to a question, we ask that you please do not post a comment.
  • If a member mentions you by name in a comment, please respond directly to that person on the same post. If the comment is a violation of these rules, please report it to an Admin or Moderator.
  • Do not comment or draw attention to the fact that an Admin or Moderator has deleted a comment if it was in violation of these rules. Please understand this is not to imply that we do not want you to be a member of our group, it is simply to ensure these rules are being followed.
  • Comments or statements that are deliberately disruptive, meant to hijack or throw discussions off track, known as "trolling" are prohibited. These comments may be deleted at the discretion of the Admin or Moderator and, if after being warned the abuse continues, the "troll" will be removed or banned from the group.


  • Use links to content rather than posting something in its entirety, unless you are the copyright holder or have permission from the copyright holder.
  • Do not post direct links to executable files. Admins and Moderators may remove comments which contain these links to protect members from potentially malicious downloads. Members can post a link to the webpage that contains the file download but it may also be removed if an Admin or Moderator finds that the web page content could be harmful or if the web page link is spam.
  • Posting links in order to generate affiliate commissions is not permitted. Any posts or comments that are deemed to be posted in order to generate affiliate commissions, regardless of the product being promoted, will be deleted. If a member continues to create affiliate SPAM posts, they will be banned.


  • Violation of any of these rules can result in having your comment(s) deleted, being removed and/or banned from this group which also includes the Utah Carry Laws Forum on our website. Consequences will be determined by the Admins/Moderators on a case by case basis.
  • If you observe a member breaking a rule or behaving in a questionable fashion, do not try to deal with it yourself. Please contact an Admin or Moderator.
  • When submitting a post or commenting on any post you agree that the Admins and Moderators have the right to modify, edit or delete any post or comment at any time which violates these rules.

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All information and instructions given within these forums is to be used at your own risk. By following or using any of this information you give up the right to hold liable for any damages.

All the forums are categorized by topics. Please post your questions or messages in the appropriate forum.

Answers to many of the questions you may have can be found in the Tutorials Section, Glossary, or from other posts on the message boards. Please use the search functions, at the top right of each page, to find your answers. If you are still having problems, feel free to post your question.

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Posting links in order to generate affiliate commissions is not permitted at Any posts that are deemed to be posted in order to generate affiliate commissions, regardless of the product being promoted, will be deleted. If a user continues to create affiliate SPAM posts, they will be banned.

Posting links to non-Bleeping Computer malware removal guides is NOT permitted with the exception of security vendors who sometimes release specialized tools and instructional documentation. This is because it is impractical for BleepingComputer to monitor and review all such guides for accuracy, no matter how accurate those guides may, in fact, be.

There will be no use of profanity on our message boards. This will not be tolerated and can lead to immediate suspension.

When posting, please use proper grammar. Refrain from 'text-message' style substitutions of words like 'u' for 'you', and 'ur' for 'your'. This is a multi-national forum, and some of our non-english speaking members must use translation software which is confused by abbreviations. Most of our volunteer members are very busy helping as many people as they can, and a post that is hard to read will often be overlooked.

There will be no racial, ethnic, gender based insults or any other personal discriminations. This will not be tolerated and can lead to immediate suspension.

There will be no posts meant to offend or hurt any other member, in a manner which is offensive or inflammatory. This includes flaming or instigating arguments.

Spamming is not permitted; please keep all your posts as constructive as possible.

Pornography, warez, or any other illegal transactions may NOT be linked in any shape or form.

If you have questions regarding homework, we will only help you with general concepts. If you are looking for a complete solution or answer, we will most likely just delete your post.

No subject matter will be allowed whose purpose is to defeat existing copyright or security measures. If a user persists and/or the activity is obviously illegal the staff reserves the right to remove such content and/or ban the user. This would also mean encouraging the use or continued use of pirated software is not permitted, and subject to the same consequences.

If you are receiving assistance in the Virus Removal forum, you are not allowed to request assistance for the same computer at another malware removal forum. This is to prevent conflicting advice from causing issues with your computer or making it unbootable.

This forum has the right to request alteration or deletion of any offensive post. If this is not done in a prompt manner, the Staff will delete the material themselves.

Posts may be deleted for any reasons the forum administrators deem reasonable.

Pictures may be posted as long as they are not explicit, offensive, or copyrighted.

Advertisements, of any sort, are not permitted. This includes member names and links to commercial sites in Signatures, or in posts. You also may not solicit sales for Newegg through the use of promotion or coupon codes. If you would like to advertise on our site, contact us here.

In order to reduce spam on the site, you will not be able to add a signature to your account until you reach 25 posts. Signatures are limited to 5 lines or 2000 characters; whichever comes first. If your signature is larger than the allotted size given or deemed unacceptable, you will be requested to adjust your signature. Failure to comply will result in the removal of your signature.

Only one image per signature. Images in signatures must also be no larger than 500 pixels wide X 90 pixels high. If you have more than one image you will be requested to remove one. If this is not done in a timely manner the staff has the right to modify your signature to abide by these rules.

Any links in signatures or profiles cannot be commercial in nature or they will be removed by BleepingComputer. You may not put links in your signature soliciting donations unless you are in certain member groups. Those member groups that are allowed will be expressly notified. If you have a personal website or off-site help resource, that is more than fine, but you can not sell products or services through your signature. Multiple links to the same site, unless for a very specific reason, are not permitted in a signature and will be removed.

Avatars must be in good taste. This means no vulgar or violent images, pornography, or profanity. Avatars that are found to be inappropriate will be removed at the discretion of the staff.

Linking to hate, anti-Semitic, racist, pornography, warez, or other illegal sites is not permitted.

Links in your signature must be unobtrusive and can not use formatting so that attention is brought to them.

Member's display names can not be email addresses. This rule is in place to protect you from spam bots who will pick up your email address and spam you.

Members may have only one account on this forum. There is no need to have more than one.

Any impersonation of a user from these forums, in any mode of communication, is strictly prohibited and will result in a banning.

Linked and locked topics are pruned regularly to reduce page clutter. If you have a question about where your topic went, please PM a Moderator or Administrator before starting a new topic asking where it went, or posting a duplicate of the original topic. We will be happy to provide you with a link to the new location, or a reason why it was locked and/or removed.

Violation of any of these rules can lead to a banning of the user from our Web Site and a deletion of their account. The consequences will be determined by the Staff on a case by case basis.

When posting you agree that the administrators and the moderators of this forum have the right to modify, delete, edit or close any topic, signature, account, or profile data at any time that they see fit. If you have any questions concerning this, please do not start a new thread, but rather private message to an administrator or moderator.

Note: If you observe someone breaking a rule or behaving in a questionable fashion, do not try to deal with it yourself. Alert a forum moderator or administrator by clicking "Report abuse" next to the post.

Sensitive information
Don't post any sensitive information. Moderators will remove personal information from posts to protect your privacy.

Link to content rather than posting it in its entirety, unless you are the copyright holder or have permission from the copyright holder.

Link to content rather than posting it in its entirety, unless you are the copyright holder or have permission from the copyright holder.

Do not post links to third-party download sites for Mozilla products. Third-parties sometimes fetch the wrong builds, or add malicious software to the download. Moderators may edit or remove links to third-party download sites.

Do not post direct links to executable files. Moderators may remove these links to protect users from potentially malicious downloads. (You can post a link to the webpage that contains the file download but it may also be removed if a Moderator finds that the web page content could be harmful or if the web page link is spam.)

Language and conduct
Do not use obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or excessively violent language.

Do not harass, insult, taunt, provoke, demean, or personally attack other forum members. Be friendly even if others are not.

Do not excessively "bump" a thread (post simply to get a thread to the top of the list).





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1. Attacks - As with any large groups of people there will be disagreements. This is understandable, but we will not tolerate flaming other members. We are all adults and in such should be able to keep our emotions in check. There will not be any personal/insulting attacks or inflammatory posts. You can disagree but do it politely.

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3. Opposite Sex - We are starting to pick up more female users. These females offer an insight that we “males” cannot offer, so make sure to keep derogatory comments about the opposite sex in check. If you are not willing to say it face to face, don’t think it is ok from behind the keyboard.

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